The first season of Netflix's street-level superhero show Jessica Jones had a main villain: Kilgrave, a mind-controlling monster whose ugly heroine story propelled most of the action. But season 1 had another more complicated villain: Jeri Hogarth is a powerful lawyer played by Carrie-Anne Moss, better known as Trinity of the Matrix movies and the duo Natalie del Memento by Christopher Nolan. In the original Marvel comics, her character was a rather bland and trustworthy older man, but in the Netflix story version, she is an intriguing powerful player who continues to work to put Jessica under her control, and continues to cause disasters in the process, including a number of deaths
Like everyone else in season 2 of Jessica Jones, Jeri Hogarth is grappling with the consequences of her season 1 election and trying to define who she is. But while Jessica Jones is struggling with the past, and her best friend Trish is worried about the future, Jeri is dealing with both. A diagnosis of ALS means that you face the loss of physical control and eventual death. His Season 1 affair with a junior has his fellow law firm trying to expel her from his own company for a moral charge. And her initial choices in season 2 only lead to more conflicts, between her and Jessica, but also for the program in general. I spoke with Carrie-Anne Moss about the new direction Jeri will take in Season 2, but the conversation quickly became something that interested her most: the ways in which things are changing for women in Hollywood.
The focus of the show changed this season, from focusing on Jessica to a more ensemble approach. How did you focus on the extended focus of your character?
There was more safe range. I was happy to explore some of the other characters a little deeper. And then being on a show like this, with Krysten really taking a lot of the show on his shoulders, allowing the other characters to take up more space gives him a break because he works so many hours and works so hard.
Did you have a favorite moment this season?
What I appreciated is that when Jeri is with people, she is very close, no matter what happens. You can see a moment of emotion covering, but I love that I had some moments when I did not have to follow that protocol. So, the scene with the prostitutes, or the moments when nobody is watching, you can see how the mask comes out. I liked to explore what that would be like for her.
She is such a selfish and ruthless character, but this season, she is also suffering. How do you approach to find sympathy for the character?
I do not think I've ever thought about making her feel compassionate. I'm just trying to find something truthful, you know? What I loved about her this season was that she always wants to look like she really has everything together. And as he deals with this traumatic news, we can see how he gets rid of it. When he is with other people, he knows how to play that role of trust: "I have everything solved, I'm fine". So I had to have some private moments that allowed me to do what I wanted, because in private, we are many people, right? Especially dealing with incredibly stressful situations.
It seems that any woman who has had a career as an actress would relate to that character, the need to feign total confidence in front of the camera or the crowd, no matter what you're feeling. Are there things in your personal life that make Jeri particularly identifiable with you?
Well, you're always getting close to everything you do, right? All you really have is yourself. [Laughs] I think women have that pressure, so it really seems like we've discovered it all the time. But I let it go a long time ago. I am quite frank in my private life, with my people. There, I do not pretend to have everything solved. But then the person you have to put there, as an actor …
Looking back on her career, she has played many women like this: strong and autonomous, but visibly vulnerable. Are you consciously attracted to that kind of paper?
I was thinking about this the other day. Someone asked me They were doing an article in which I made my career and all these things that I did. I was thinking about what it's like to have a photo album. Being in the movies and television is like having a photo album of your whole life, not even because of the movie, but because I can remember what happened in my personal life the day I took scenes. "Oh, that's the day that happened, life happens while you make movies and you make television, and it's amazing because it's a reminder that my life is not just about what I did, about my work, I have this multifaceted world. mother and wife, and a daughter, an actress and a friend, I have so many layers in my life.
And I think sometimes, being in this business, you ask us so much, in terms of hours, and often you travel, you're often far away. Then we miss a lot. You are in the place all the time. You miss weddings and funerals, babies that are born, children that grow. This was before having my own children. But you also have a rich life happening. Then I look back and think, "Wow, I have had a rich life in terms of intimacy and friendships.When I work, it is very important for me to connect deeply with the crew.The more connected to them I feel, the more vulnerable and safe and comfortable I can be, everyone is different, some people do not need that or want that, they want to be just an island in themselves, but I really appreciate knowing about the team, knowing about their families, knowing who they are, making me feel really part of something And in that inclusion of that collective energy, I feel free, and I feel supported, so many times when I look back on a movie, most of the time I remember the team.
You know, I have not seen the crew of The Matrix in 18 or 19 years, or something like that. And I had intimate friendships with so many people there, but now they live in Australia, and I live here. So going back and revisiting my work gives me back this nostalgic feeling, but it's a very good feeling. I am very grateful.
There has been so much talk about how this season in Jessica Jones, all the directors were women, and the team had a 50/50 gender division. Did that change anything about how you related to the crew?
No. I think I am who I am. What she did for me, I realized how few women had worked as a director. And I do not think I really realized that until, for every episode, I went in and this woman was at the helm. For my generation, at least in my personal experience, I have had very few. Krysten, who is younger, has had so many. So look how much has already changed. I believe that this progress is happening. It has been slow to happen. I think women live with a lot of gratitude. Not all women do, definitely not Jeri Hogarth, but for me, I feel so grateful to be able to make a living as an actor, that I can do what I love, that I never wanted to complain that men earn more money than me. . I did not want to be a victim, so I've never participated in that conversation. I have not even really thought about it. Then, as everything has come to light, I realized that, under the pretext of being grateful, I was not really seeing something unfair.
One of the things that I love about Krysten, and why I think she is an incredible human being and a role model for young women, is that she has no regrets. It's not ego, it's just that it has great self-esteem. Me too, but not at his age. It is something that has grown. And it is only now, seeing all these women leading, that I realize that I had only worked with two women directors before, in my entire career. There is a real imbalance, and I was not participating in that conversation.
But, were there any specific differences this season, or are you simply appreciating the fact that women face less discrimination?
I think so in some moments. I definitely felt known in another way. But I've also worked with amazing male directors, so I definitely felt known and supported. So I do not know, it's so complicated. I do not think there are answers in black or white for that. But what excites me is that we are talking about that. We are all having these conversations, so we can unravel some of the very subtle ways in which sexism is at stake without us noticing. Even within ourselves.
It's like when you think about racism. I am not a racist person, but I come from this incredible place of white privilege, and it is amazing to open your mind and really look at it. I can not articulate racism because I'm not experiencing it. So I have to be open to understanding it on a deeper level, instead of just saying, "I'm not racist!" There is so much at stake, and women have a lot to say about it. And now we have a platform. There is an opportunity for us to have these conversations, whether they are happening at the kitchen table or in a show you premiere or in politics. It's an interesting time to be alive, for sure.
The Marvel shows on Netflix are unusually aware of the inclusion of ethnic and gender diversity, without necessarily putting them in the forefront of the narrative. Jessica Jones seems very natural about inclusion. As you wake up with these problems, is it increasingly important for you to make sure you are part of projects that are aware of equal representation?
Yes, I think that conversation is so important. Each work is unique, in terms of everything that enters. I do not really intellectualize much of the processes of it. But it is now developing in a way that I feel I am learning, and I am open to understanding the different layers of dysfunction. I'm not talking only about men and women. Only the world in general, many of the old constructs are falling, falling. You can see the truth As all this news about sexual harassment began to unfold, we hear woman after woman say, "Me too, me too, #MeToo." The playing field is leveled. Now everyone can say: "Oh, you mean if you're rich and famous, life is not perfect?" I know we all know it, but this is another level. It is leveling the field for humanity, in some way.
And then that wave effect creates conversations that I'm grateful that happen, so younger people do not have to deal with that in the same way. Of course, they will deal with something else.